Coda from Panic Software Reviewed
Nothing brightens up a Saturday morning hangover like toys I'm not supposed to have in my inbox. An anonymous tipster (thanks Mike!) dished me a copy of Panic Software's new developer workflow application Coda today. If you remember I was just a little bit hot and bothered about this yesterday. The app is supposed to officially debut Monday but I don't see why I can't give you guys my own first impressions with a full on exclusive review.
I do web development pretty much every day and have never been a real fan of the all inclusive, live editing types of tools. Honestly tools like Dreamweaver really makes me cringe. So like many others I normally have a separate application for text editing, FTP, shell, and of course a few browsers open. I have to tell you, I've taken the red pill now and doing away with all of these separate tools actually seems possible with Coda.
So in case you haven't already guessed, from within Coda you can use FTP, terminal, preview, a CSS editor, and of course live edit your remote files on the fly. When I first launched Coda it sucked in all of my details from Transmit (another Panic app) with a quick import. From there I was met with a jaw droppingly gorgeous live preview of my website, where I could enter my remote/local, FTP, and shell details.
I guarantee you will be impressed by the user interface in Coda. I never used to be impressed by jazzy special effects, simplicity, and elegance in my applications, but Panic really delivers on this front. If this type of thing gives you wood, prepare to be really dazzled when working with this tool.
But the real bread and butter of an app like this is its live editing feature. Some of the other workflow apps I've used really don't handle the remote editing of files that elegantly. When you live in Bangkok and your working on servers in the US, trust me, you will feel the latency. After working with Coda all day doing just this type of work, I can say I am very satisfied, and even a bit surprised. As with Transmit a connection loss is transparent to the user, meaning you never know you got disconnected.
Which brings me to the built in editor. For me this is really the deal maker. One of the problems I have had switching to a Mac is the editors on OS X. They aren't bad, but they aren't great either. Having said that, I think the guys at Panic are off to a really great start with their own editor. All of the usual languages are supported and styled appropriately including: CSS, HTML, Javascript, Java, Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, SQL, XML, and straight text.
Okay here is something I really like about the editor. I hit command+f and from the top of the file I'm using shimmies out a find/replace text bar. I really like stuff like that at my fingertips. You really get the impression with Coda that the guys at Panic build apps that they themselves would use. The editor is certainly not as robust as something like BBedit, but I seriously don't think it has to be.
Coda also comes packed with a CSS editing tool. I'm not a real fan of these but I actually found myself using it quite a bit. One thing I can say is that if you are a newbie with CSS, Coda might just be your best friend. Stashed off in one of the tabs is a books section which was outfitted with the PHP manual and 3 others. I didn't see an option to add your own books, or how this could even be done, but having all of my dev literature in one place is a pretty remarkable concept.
I think the really great thing about Coda is its tabbed layout that allows me to switch from editing a file, to my terminal, to a quick preview of my work. I am a bit of a slob and will often have a dozen files open for editing at once, and Coda handled my bad habits surpisingly well. I can honestly say that from quick edits to even intensive work, Coda adapts and scales like a champ.
FTP functions like it does in Transmit, which is just fine. Coming from *nix the only real gripe I have (and it's legit damnit!) is the complete lack of a quick path edit line. Without it browsing directories is way more cumbersome than it has to be. But seriously, this my only real complaint, and this is a brand spanking new application.
Salivating yet? If you do any design you should be. Okay, I know what you're thinking Ëœthis approach has been made before with dozens of other apps, and it tries to do too much, and it ends up being cumbersome in the end.' My first impression of Coda is that it is really powerful, yet extremely elegant, and I am being honest when I say I will be using it for my webdev work from now on. It really gels with my worfflow and I would be surprised if I am not more productive using it.
We'll see how it goes, but after a few hours working with Coda I'm already a big fan. It's almost guaranteed to be a huge hit with other OS X developers. Be sure to check out Panic's site on Monday to get your own copy. The copy I have expires in 14 days, and we'll have to wait until Monday to see what this gem will cost for licensing. In the mean time here are some more screenshots for you to gush over.
UPDATE: Coda has just been officially let loose in the wild. You can grab a 14 day trial here or jump right into a license for $79.00. From the looks of their buy page that price may go up to $99 in the near future. Congratulations to the Panic crew for a timely and slick release. Great work!
I nearly shat when I first saw this.
Just tell me my motd screen is not r0X0rz.
The CSS editing tool.
This is the editor’s preference pane.
The terminal preference pane.
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Wow. Nice. I wouldn’t mind getting my hands on that app. I guess I’ll have to wait until monday.
Wow Miles thanks for this, I am indeed drooling.
Looks like i’ll be getting out the credit card again
Nice stuff. I really do need to learn web design…
Amazing looking application. Will this be the single tool able to pull me away from my reliance on TextMate + Transmit + Terminal trio? Easily priced over $30 me thinks.
I probably wouldn’t buy it because I already have CSSEdit, TextWrangler, and Transmit, but the amazing graphics and the Books section make it extremely tempting.
Dammit.. I have a huge web release coming up. Guess when it goes live? Midnight Sunday.
Oh, and I bought Transmit LAST NIGHT. I feel… erm.. foolish, to say the least.
Looks really nice. Seems to be the biggest competitor to Flow.
In the article he only seems to mention editing sites on the fly. While this is great for the ‘seat-of-your-pants’ programmer in all of us, does it let you edit files on your system and then upload them when ready? This is and always has been the main draw of Dreamweaver for me (I also came from the PC side where DW was the best option anyway). There doesn’t seem to be a program out for the mac that allows easy mirroring of a site locally and then uploading when done. Although it could be done easily with Transmit, Textmate, and CSSEdit. But that’s three programs instead of one.
@Justin – Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what’s Flow?
Sweet. Nice review. Gives a great feel for what is so great about it. One question, tho: what do you mean, “The editor is certainly not as robust as something like BBedit..?”
Jason,
http://flowapp.com/
thanks! there’s also a web-based app coming around sooner or later, i’m in the private beta, but i think you could sign up for it. it’s at http://createworkspace.com
Great review – you should write more!
Did you check with Panic before publishing this review? I’m not sure they’d be too happy about someone completely spilling the beans the day before…
Disappointing that you saw fit to ruin Panic’s surprise in the name of an “exclusive” story…
Seriously, did we need to blow the surprise on them for one stupid day of exclusivity?
Way to go guys… Way to screw Panic! They’ve most likely been holding their cards on this close to their chest for a good reason – The Apple Design Awards. This would’ve been an awesome surprise for everyone. BAH
It’s disgusting that you feel it is important to ruin their surprise so you can catch a few more readers.
Panic software has consistently produced EXCELLENT applications for the Mac, I’m sure Coda will be no different. User interfaces are really my thing, and Panic always makes software with excellent ones.
Unfortunately, I bought a PC yesterday. One of the apps that I will miss most will be Transmit.
What bad taste. You had to screw Panic over in order to write an “exclusive” post? I guess that’s what happens when you’re desperate for decent content.
Yep, I agree with the others: you’ve shown a complete lack of reespect for the very community your site purports to support and help. If I were Panic, I’d go out of my way to insure that every other developer out there understands what you’ve done.
It’s wrong, and if you had half a brain, you’d understand why and remove the review immediately.
Sheez.
[...] Panic, som är mest kända för ftp-klienten transmit, är på gång med en ny applikation som heter Coda, iallafall om man får tro MacApper. [...]
Honestly, it’s just a day before it’s official release date. I’m glad you posted this. I love Panic and just about everything they do. Their apps are not only incredibly useful and intuitive but their design is gorgeous as well.
You guys seriously are jerks for spilling the beans on this before Panic had the chance to publically announce it. Bad karma MacApper.
Wow. Can you feel the love in this room? Crikey. Like this one review will screw Panic over? No way.
Build it, and they will come!
Fucking hell guys! Its one day. Go fuck yourself. It comes out in like a day!
Dudes!!!!
Nik.
@Jakob: How did I ruin any surprise? By writing a scathingly glowing review of an app to be released in 24 hours? It arrived anonymously in my inbox and I was never told I shouldn’t or couldn’t write about it. I made the decision knowing the app was to be released in 24 hours.
@Jesse: I took a look at: http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ada/. I honestly couldn’t find the part about being nixed from the contest for having your app featured on MacApper.
@Mike: If our content sucks Mike feel free to vote with your browser. We’ll still be here writing about Mac apps.
You guys are certainly entitled to your opinon but I think some of you need to seriously lighten up. Go eat some ice cream maybe.
Also for the record, I emailed one of the guys at Panic yesterday and got no response. If anyone over there asked me to remove this glowing review of their new tool I would remove it. Well, until tomorrow.
Looks great, but not sure it will be too pr0 until later in it’s life.
The terminal thing looks good, but textmate, heddress and transmit are great for simple web work.
[...] April 22nd, 2007 @ 11:10 am by David Paul Robinson MacApper is letting the cat out of the bag, revealing Panic’s new app (one day early) to be Coda: I [...]
[...] unreleased app, Coda. Coda is an all-in-one editing/publishing tool set to be released Monday.read more | digg [...]
“I have had switching to a Mac is the editors on OS X. They aren't bad, but they aren't great either.”
What the hell? I’ve spent hours trying to find an editor on windows that even has half the functionality of BBEdit or Textmate, or even 10% of the elegance of Textmate.
They’re completely pathetic offerings compared to the Mac world of editors.
@Lime: Who said anything about Windoze dude? I didn't, you did. I even mention in the article I came from a *nix dev environment. having said that I really do feel homesite4 and ultraedit32 are awesomely robust and mature Windows editors.
This is a nice looking app. I can see I’ll be spending money tomorrow.
[...] Coda. Coda is an all-in-one editing/publishing tool set to be released Monday. free xxx futuramaread more | digg [...]
I wish I had a Mac.
[...] Panic is set to release Coda, it’s new developer tool on Monday. At least that’s what the little bird told me. However it seems that MacApper has gotten its hands on it sooner than most of us. But it’s ok, since Miles Evans of MacApper graciously wrote about it. He gives us a pretty good review of Panic’s new baby. [...]
Hmmm… I’m not sure if this review being published a day before Panic’s release is bad…
I mean, it’s generating publicity for Panic. I mean personally I’m more excited to see it come out tom. The anticipation is a bit higher.
But all things aside, it was a decent review. Thanks for writing it.
There is no way in hell that posting this hurts Panic, ruins the surprise or steals their thunder. You have no idea how media works.
The NYTimes and other papers routinely feed stories to Drudge a day before they go live in order to build MORE buzz about them.
An exclusive story like this will get more people salivating over what looks to be great software.
So, quite simply, STFU.
Jason,
http://forkliftapp.com,
Forklift Beta 2 released yesterday, now it supports remote editing too.
Thanks for the awesome review. Looks like this will be another must-have app from Panic Software.
Wood?
Yep… i got it!
Transmit is a quality client. Can’t wait for this!
Wow. Coda looks awesome.
This probably won’t affect the success of the launch, but publishing an “exclusive” review of an unreleased app is sort of a dick move. It’s like finding out that your buddy’s wife is pregnant, and then telling all his friends before he has a chance. It’s still joyous news, you’ve just made an inconsiderate ass of yourself.
This review was not authorized and they requested the screenshots be pulled.
Not cool guys.
You should try TextMate, if you havent already, best editor on any platform (and it solves one issue you mention, quick find, ultra easily and better than Coda seems to (Ctrl-S, ala Emacs, F for find panel and SHIFTF for Find-in-Project)).
Also, Transmit is not missing a unix path editor field, SHIFTG.
Lastly, lame that you didn’t get permission to review this before the release date.
Great review, but as noted by people above me, it’s a dick thing to do considering 1. the app isn’t public yet, and 2. they didn’t give you permission to do a preview of their app.
Good idea, horrendous execution. I’d imagine they will be emailing you promptly to have you remove this.
Great app, shitty review, shitty site.
This sounds really sweet. I’m probably gonna get it.
You rock! Thanks for passing this info on!~!!!
This removal seems a little staged,is it part of the hype?
Wow, f_ck you guys…
I have them saved and sell it for cheap
Hahahahah and I am SURE that all of you people bitching about the screenshots NEVER read any rumor sites or look at prerelease screenshots of Leopard or the iPhone right?
I don’t give a damn about iPhone
Bad form Miles , great way to ruin their surprise party!
“scathingly glowing”. Now there’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
Dreamweaver’s colour coding is excellent, I agree.
Looks like a cool app, too bad the images aren’t still available… But It’s a good thing I saved the images onto my computer, so I could take a closer look at them
-Chris
It’s about time the Mac had an app like this.
Textmate and BBEdit are not web IDEs and are too hardcore for my wussy taste. Eclipse is too much of a juggernaut as well. I much prefer the style of some of the Windows apps such as RapidPHP, PHPEdit etc… It seems from this review that Coda is at least somewhat more tilted in that direction than other Mac offerings.
Not sure about the humongous toolbar though.
Wow quality work MacApper…. good job blowing it. No wonder Glenn got out of this site.
As someone who writes several blogs and was a beta tester for Coda, congrats on screwing the pooch. They’ve kept this app under tight wraps and were poised to release it tomorrow with full fanfare, and you guys blew it by trying grab a little thunder from them. Nice.
No digg for you.
Aww I can’t give zero stars? Weak.
Give me a break. Is there is lot of butt kissing going around. If the official release is a day away, I don’t see what the big deal it. A lot of reporters like to get the exclusive on a story. What’s this, bloggers are not “not” journalists. Do we have different rules for different situations?
Quite frankly, if the official release is a day away, I have to say that I am disappointed in not only the sycophants posting here but in Panic software. Way to live up to your name guys by “Panicking”.
Thanks Ari. Actually I spoke back and forth with Panic a few times today, and they weren’t angry, disappointed, or felt I was a dick at all:
‘Hi Miles,
One of our beta testers absolutely should not have send you the application — we mentioned numerous times that it was covered by non-disclosure, and absolutely not for distribution, and now we’re going to have to spend a bit of time trying to figure out who it was and why they did it. These things happen, but they’re never fun.
‘Email removed at the request of Panic.’
If I myself had signed an NDA agreement not too discuss this application or another, I absolutely would not write about it. Seriously guys. I also had no idea whatsoever about the Coda beta, if participants were required to sign an NDA, or how big the group was.
Like I said before, it was passed to me anonymously and when I asked my source if I could write about it he said ‘go for it’. Panic knows this and were also clear in their email that they were not upset with MacApper, or me, but the person who leaked the software in the first place as you can see above.
Maybe some of you folks should familiarize yourself with Fair Usage Guidelines or at least maybe try a post about the subject of the article. A never ending chorus of ‘whaaa you totally ruined the big day’, is just becoming really comical at this point. If the developers aren’t losing any sleep over this, maybe it’s time for you to grab a kleenex and get over it yourself?
Fo shizzle.
It’s pathetic that you tried to grab a few bucks in advertising with your little “exclusive”, and in term screwed over a perfectly great company. Way to go.
Maybe I’ll get the exclusive story on your wife having herpes, and I’ll just post it on digg a day before I tell you…what a moron.
[...] app, Coda. Coda is an all-in-one editing/publishing tool set to be released Monday.[/quote]read more | digg [...]
@xxdesmus: If you find her can you let her know that I have indeed discovered that Honey and Dewberry root have indeed kept my ‘condition’ under control? Also tell her sorry from me, and maybe buy her a nice dinner and I can Paypal you the difference. Oh and I just checked my Adsense account for the day and we’re just about to hit $3.50 so ‘nice dinner’ = happy meal is just fine by me.
*yawn*
[...] MacApper breaks the news about Panic’s new app without their permission: Tisk, tisk tisk, MacApper. See MacUser tomorrow for an op-ed by co-editor Derik DeLong. [...]
I’ve left out on commenting on this, and now after hearing a bunch of people whining about a birthday surprise, I feel like I have to jump in here somewhere.
It wasn’t right. Yes, Panic’s app should have been respected and dealt with properly, not being revealed. It could’ve waited a day. Yet, at the same time, I don’t feel as negative about it as everyone else. This stuff happens, stuff leaks, and if I were Miles, I’d be excited to write about it and get the story out there as well. I wouldn’t have known about the NDA or the beta or anything. Are they still gonna sell copies of the app. Yes. Will their overall income or status change over this? Doubt it.
Again, it wasn’t right. It wasn’t totally wrong either. Miles didn’t know, and thought it was publishable. We learned our lesson.
This wasn’t for advertising. This was us trying to get our first big scoop. We didn’t screw Panic over, “xxdesmus”. They aren’t losing money or users or status in the Mac community. If anything, more people will have their credit cards out tomorrow to buy this thing.
At first I wasn’t exactly sure how I should react to the situation, and after a bit it became funny. Really funny. Everyone’s pissed off because a surprise was ruined.
It was a day early. I back Miles up on speaking with Panic and settling. What’s done is done. We made a mistake, and fixed it. Panic is fine with how things are as of now, so please don’t talk on behalf of them.
Oh, and “xxdesmus”, maybe I’ll get an exclusive story on how your domain looks like a girl’s MySpace name.
Fair use isn’t really relevant here, but no one is saying you’re in any legal trouble for pissing on Panic’s party.
The only rules you broke were ethical ones — any self-respecting journalist would have at least contacted the company before publishing a review about an unannounced, unreleased bit of software. But you’re not a journalist, you’re a blogger.
You guys are acting like they leaked nuclear launch codes. It’s a mac shareware app, calm the fuck down and get over yourselves.
I think you should issue an apology to Panic and a brief explanation to new visitors at the *top* of this post to help explain what went wrong. You made a mistake – we’ve all made them. Being completely transparent and honest about this – up front – will speak positive volumes for you.
Indeed, I think a lot the reason people are annoyed is that you guys haven’t even acknowledged that you did something wrong here. Yes, leaks happen. As Timness just mentioned above, the responsible thing would have been to email the company AND wait for a reply before you posted this.
I don’t really care that you think people are over reacting. You’re getting the reaction you’re getting because you’re acting like you’re a perfectly respectable journalist which you’re clearly not.
Editors on OS X aren’t great? There are two awesome editors that I like: BBEdit & TextMate. Each one does some things the other doesn’t so it’s hard to choose one. Maybe Coda will be the perfect editor that can replace both of them.
Wow, this website sucks.
Not only do you shit on one of the best indie mac developers by spoiling Panic’s surprise announcement, but you then insult those who comment *based on their user names*?
You guys are a fucking joke.
@Patrick
While I appreciate your defense, don’t even waste your time with these guys. As you said they are a joke, and as such they aren’t even worth arguing with.
I am really surprised they haven’t started deleting comments that don’t praise them. This is the first time I’ve ever visited Mac Apper, and it definitely will be the last.
@David: I have issued endless apologies to Panic via email. I cannot post them here as they have asked me not to (see above where I removed them). In fact, I was told I am not allowed to post anything more than ‘Panic requested us to remove the images’, and nothing else, so I think I will stick to that now and keep quiet.
In closing I will say that I wish I had never been passed this software, or written the review. I will also say that I was intentionally noncritical in my review of Coda to not ruffle any feathers. I am now realizing how much worse this could have been if I had gripes with the app. Anyways I’ll leave that up to other writers as I’ve had enough heat for today.
So the last word from me will be: Sorry to Panic and the Mac community. My intentions were good but my execution was lacking. Feel free to continue to vent at me in this thread if it makes you feel better, but I’m gonna move on to something else now. We have some cool stuff in the pipe this week and I don’t think it should take a back seat to this any longer.
@xxdesmus: Sorry dude you lost me at my wife has herpes? Seriosuly man, If you don’t like the website, and feel we are a joke, I certainly don’t want to waste any more of your time. Feel free to surf off anytime now. And for the record you’re right, I don’t delete comments, as I really loathe censorship – in all its ugly forms.
Apology accepted…You haters reeeaaally need to get over yourselves. Panic too from the sounds of it.
@ xxdesmus
Honestly, why are you sticking around replying to comments if you don’t like the site. Honestly, just leave, we don’t need your traffic.
[...] morning at 8AM MacApper’s owner, Miles Evans a review of a much anticipated new application from Panic, Inc. Thing is that it hadn’t been announced [...]
Good show Miles. From what Panic told you, it looks like you’re handling this about as well as you can. And you’re right, don’t let the incident keep you down. Just learn the lesson and keep on truckin’.
Waaaaaaaaaaah you violated… something… ethics or something….
Next I’m going to write an email to the NYTimes complaining about how they wrote about Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and warrantless wiretaps when they were violating national security requests from the pentagon waaaaaaaah
The comments seem a bit heated. In all honesty, these types of leaks happen. However, it is worth noting that waiting until the application launched and then posting this sneak moments afterwards would have still given MacApper the exclusive because no one else would have had time to compose a similar review.
Also, re: the issue with ‘xxdesmus’… If there’s one good idea O’Reilly actually introduced with that silly ‘blogger code of ethics’ bit, it’s this: don’t feed the trolls. Censorship is of course up for debate, but trolls are just like ducks: you keep feeding them, and they’ll keep coming around for more.
My advise: don’t waste your time with them. Don’t confront them and don’t try to combat their flame bait; basically, don’t acknowledge them because they aren’t contributing to the discussion. If someone is critical that’s one thing; they might very well have something valid to say. But if someone attacks you personally or purports to be the Ruler of All Things (Supposedly) Right and Just➢, they probably aren’t here for the party. You dig?
Well I am surprised at the foolishness of some of the users on the ineterweb. if you didn’t want to know what it was?
Easy. you see “Exclusive: Coda from Panic Software Reviewed” in the title. hit the power button on you’re computer. problem solved. and maybe if you really didn’t want to know what it was until Monday. Unplug your internet, get some fresh air. Maybe eat some icecream ;p
I really like the articles here. keep up the good work Miles.
On a side note. if you dont like the site. GTFO
Eh. typo’s. its 1:30 in the morning. could care less
[...] Then Mac Apper got a tip off and had a full, horribly written review of the software a few hours before it was officially released. I like Panic and I don’t know if they were behind the leak but either way I think it’s a shame that the world found out about Coda through the rubbish that is Mac Apper. If you’ve read this blog for a while you’ll know how I feel about those kinds of websites. [...]
Two indisputable facts in this discussion:
1) Miles got a review of an unreleased Mac app
2) He knew the app was from Panic
Why wasn’t Panic contacted before publication?
The fact that Panic has asked for an embargo means
Miles was wrong. He’s admitted as much, but tells
the rest of us to move on. A better man would have
just admitted the mistake, try to do better next
time, and ignored the peanut gallery.
[...] powerful web-development program, Coda. The bad news is that I shouldn’t already know this: MacApper ran a review a day before the official announcement and even posted screenshots. The cat’s [...]
Oh, my g*d, it’s the Muhammad-drawings incident all over again.
It just boils down to courtesy and common sense, neither of which you had.
A venerated independent software developer announces its “biggest, most ambitious new software launch of all time” (stevenf.com) and you unveil it one day before launch?
A few dozen people were already testing this application yet strangely enough, no one felt compelled to write about it. Why? Not because they signed an NDA but because they respected Panic.
You just wanted your fifteen minutes of fame, (ab)using Panic for your moment in the spotlights.
Some pretty poor reading comprehension from some of the haters here. Sounds like Panic were contacted, and Panic are pissed off at the leaking beta tester not MacApper.
Come on guys. The same people complaining here are the ones who cry delighted when new facts about Leopard leak.
Panic benefits from this posting. A dozen people read the review and can’t wait to see the screenshots when it’s officially released. If i’d be one of Panics marketing people i’d pat on my back, take the marketing budget (which is no longer needed, because this excellent gurillia marketing campaign worked way better, than every payed promotion could have done) and invite the whole panic + macapper team for a nice dinner.
[...] (meaning today), MacApper wrote an exclusive review of the yet to be released app Coda, made by Panic. Without going into the details of the app, [...]
[...] as they let the cat out of the bag, I will post it over at OS X Factor (no jumping the gun like these [...]
Thank you ass…. Now Panic has canceled the announcement and release is pushed back to a unknown time.
macapper.com sucks BIG TIME!!!
[...] FTP-Client, Terminal-Zugriff, CSS-Editor und Preview-Funktionalitäten enthalten. Einen ersten Test gab es am vergangenen Wochenende bereits bei MacApper zu lesen: die im Bericht verwendeten [...]
Oh my …, most of the posters of comments on this article are morons. Don’t you all have something better to do than crying “you ruined the big day”? No, probably not. Go and post your parents a comment about how they failed to create a proper human being (make and raise and everything else). I really hope mankind dies out soon, I can’t stand the stupidity any longer.
MacApper did what they always do, they wrote a review. So what. An evil beta tester caused this and not MacApper. Even Panic doesn’t hold them responsible for this accident.
@MacApper: If I were you I really would switch over to deleting off-topic comments like most of those posted on this article, btw. mine too.
What would be really awesome here is SVN support in addition to FTP. If Coda includes all of the auto-complete goodness in TextMate + SVN, it would pretty much make it the ultimate tool for developing websites.
Rant, No, it’s still very much on time as far as I’m aware. They said Monday, and it’s 7 AM PST. That gives them a ton of time to release it today.
Mary Ann, thank you for getting the point. Panic and us agreed and it’s done with.
Allan, we did admit the mistake. Look at the many comments Miles and I have made. We talked with Panic and admitted the mistake, and that’s it.
Jordan, you make so many good points and definitely back you up on everyhing you’ve said.
Doc, you’re absolutely right.
To everyone: stop overreacting. It’s done with, we complied with Panic, and it’s all done with. As far as I know, it’s still being released today.
Oh, and to whoever said that they can’t enter the Apple Design Awards, I’d love to know where you found that out. Maybe read the ADC site next time for the official contest rules.
Anyone using HyperEdit? How do you think Coda compares to HyperEdit/Transmit duo?
Thx
Alain
My duo is TextWrangler/ForkLift.
I for one appreciate the scoop. Getting the inside story and being the first with the news is what journalism is all about. I really don’t see what the big problem is here. Those people getting insulting and abusive over this really need to grow up. The way some of you have expressed your ‘opinions’ is just sad. Sad, sad, sad.
I couldn’t agree more with J’s comments. Some of you need to step away and relax. Whether you regard what MacApper did, this did create some buzz for Panic’s new software, which in turn will probably get them some added hits/downloads/profits.
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Well, if you’re itching to get your hands on a top-class web development tool for the Mac, surf over to http://www.macrabbit.com – they just released CSSEdit 2.5 today, and it’s flippin’ awesome !
Blammo it’s out: http://www.panic.com/coda/
Props to Panic for a timely and much hyped release. I think you guys will grok why I was gushing over Coda right away, and I am glad we can now discuss the tool openly.
aww man its $79
@Jeff
If you run a site and use all the features in the app, it’s worth every penny and much, much more. As Miles said, you can all now see firsthand why we were all so excited about the app. Granted, we may have been a bit too excited, but its an insanely great app, typical of Panic.
@Josh
I know. I just bought it
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I’m missing the sync function from transmit, but loving everything else!
For someone that does web development every day your site sure does look like “shat”.
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Wow, Coda is amazing! One to best things about Transmit and Coda, is that they integrate with the finder so well. Panic has done it again, thanks for the post!
hey xxzima, i mean xxodus, whatever:
while you are correct that this site is irresponsible for how they handled the situation, you too are responsible for how you handled the situation. your comments were out of line. panic and their lawyers can handle the situation just fine without you starting flame wars.
as for you Mike Evans:
the least you could do is give Panic the name of the beta tester who broke the non-disclosure.
as for Panic software (maker of AWESOME products):
Maybe someone there needs to do a bit of research before they use a name that is already trademarked in the United States AND some foreign countries:
http://www.makemusic.com/trademarks.aspx
Hey Miles, thanks for the review. Had I not seen this review, I probably wouldn’t have even known about Coda from their announcement alone. I’m sure a lot of people learned about it from MacApper and Panic will end up benefitting from this in the end.
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Can I just be the first to say I would not have noticed Coda if not for this review. Looking at the pictures I immediately bookmarked Panic’s website for Monday (this was Sunday) and then immediately downloaded the trial when it became available.
Now I have just bought it, and I think in no small part to this review. Thanks MacApper!
And I did just see someone whinging abaout $79 – to them I say, I paid that for TextMate and Transmit combined (IIRC, was a while ago) so to integrate the two and have plenty of new features is easily worth that and more.
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It really gels with your worfflow, eh?
How would you describe your worfflow? A quick & dirty worfflow, or more of a careful, meticulous worfflow?
CODA looks really cool but it DOES NOT HAVE (or it is very difficult to find it) one very important feature: “To Find and replace in more than one document at the same time: one dir, full project, some documents, etc at the same time”.
If you want to find for example the word “photo-old.jpg” in all the documents for one project because you want to change the name for one photo (or whatever) in all the site you cannot do that, you must open each document and search the word or sentence ¡one by one! and them save them.
It is really hard to work without this feature.
I agree Bruno. Normally this feature: find/replace in multiple files, is reserved for more robust editors like BBedit. I could be wrong but I just checked Skedit, and Textmate and I didn’t see the feature in them either. This always makes me wonder why people say Textmate is all you need for editing. You can also always of course jump in your shell and do it with grep.
- Textmate have “Find in Project”, it is enought to drop one dir to the windows or choice the files and after use the “find in project” option. It is not working perfectly for big projects because it is a little slow, but it is enought in general.
- SKedit is working fine for this: choice “find” and then “ad files”. You can choice full directories and skedit find&replace in all the files in there.
- Dreamweaver: in my opinión the best for find in multiples files. Just choice “to find in…”
- Coda: Nothing, and it cost… 99 bucks. I liked the app but i need to find in multiples files.
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Right on. Anyone wanting to get on a fundable.org group action to get the 10-pack?
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@Bruno: I can’t believe I missed that. In fact I looked more than once the last few weeks and still missed it. I need to lay off the coffee. Thanks – both of these apps just become useful to me again.
You welcome Miles! New feature for textmate and skedit ;o)
Anyway, If anybody knows how to find&replace for multiples files with coda, please let us know. Maybe coda has this feature but I didn´t able to find it, i don´t think so but you but just in case…
Great tool. More hands-on-experience: http://tint.de/coda
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Well, i have just done one webpage only with coda and i have to tell that it is a big mistake (in my oppinion because i use that a lot) to have forgotten the multiple search&replace feature, but the code on-fly suggestion and the hits are absolutely brilliant and it really works fine. It is really good and i think i´m going to buy it.
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Miles,
I know this is a few days old by now but seriously, don’t sweat it man.
There’s nothing wrong with what you did, in fact the review was so positive it could not have done anything buy help the release.
I think what people don’t understand is that web hits are all about how much money you put in, but more importantly how many times you’re referenced on other (reputable) sites.
By you releasing the information early you only helped Panic the release. In all actuality when I did a search for a good Mac editor today I found your article first.. which means you’re doing more for their product than they are.
Anyway, don’t sweat it. Great review, great site, great job!
I’ve been using the trial for a few days now and it’s not bad. The only thing that is really stopping me from buying it is the lack of SVN integration. If I were to buy this it would be to have a single program that I can do all my developing in. But with out SVN I still need to use at least one other app, and on some of my servers my deployments are done from my SVN repository so the FTP does me no good. I currently use TextMate + CyberDuck + iTerm and with TextMate’s bundle for SVN this is the best combo I’ve found to date.
Another “nice to have feature” would be to allow you to setup multiple FTP accounts for each project, some of my projects have separate servers for QA, Pre-Production and Production but in Coda I would need to either setup the same site with different FTP settings or still use another app to FTP to the other servers. I realize this situation is probably pretty unique so thats why I said this would be a “nice to have” feature.
The SVN is a deal breaker for me though.
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I was using coda some days and it is a great app, but it have in my oppinion a really big mistake, so big that im not going to buy the soft: it is not possible to search&replace whatever in more than one file, so if you need to change one word, image, etc for a full project or just in more than one file you have to open each file and search&replace it in all the documents, one document per time, so it is really slow. If they would fix this Coda would be perfect in my oppinion, but at this moment i prefer my “pack”: cssedit + skedit + captainFTP + ColorSchemer
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Hate to break it to you Miles, but your apostrophes are showing up as “'” (unicode garbage) in Safari 3.2.3. That’s usually a Dreamweaver issue.
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“Hate to break it to you Miles, but your apostrophes are showing up as ' (unicode garbage) in Safari 3.2.3. That's usually a Dreamweaver issue.”
They show garbage in Firefox and Epiphany too. It’s a broken html (utf-8) header issue if anything. Since the character problem is affecting his comments and other people’s trackbacks, without checking out the source, I’d say it is most likely broken html. If it were only his posts and comments it could also be a badly set up browser.
Correction, checked out the html. It seems it might be some weird WordPress issue too.
I didnt see anything that Dreamweaver doesnt already do, without the lagged tab navigation.
I was using coda some days and it is a great app, but it have in my oppinion a really big mistake, so big that im not going to buy the soft: it is not possible to search&replace whatever in more than one file, so if you need to change one word, image, etc for a full project or just in more than one file you have to open each file and search&replace it in all the documents, one document per time, so it is really slow. If they would fix this Coda would be perfect in my oppinion, but at this moment i prefer my pack: cssedit + skedit + captainFTP + ColorSchemer
I got a copy of the code sometime back and Its really been working great for me. Thanks guys for your review.
Thanks..it works great on my MAC
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