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	<title>Comments on: Cyndicate: New Kid on the Block</title>
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		<title>By: NetNewsWire: Now with more Review! &#124; MacApper</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-44755</link>
		<dc:creator>NetNewsWire: Now with more Review! &#124; MacApper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have reviewed a few different RSS readers here at MacApper before, like NewsFire and Cyndicate, but the one that many people tout above all, is NetNewsWire. NetNewsWire v3.1 is a very mature [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have reviewed a few different RSS readers here at MacApper before, like NewsFire and Cyndicate, but the one that many people tout above all, is NetNewsWire. NetNewsWire v3.1 is a very mature [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-21623</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/#comment-21623</guid>
		<description>Attensa just released the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.attensa.com/products/readers/mac/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Attensa for Mac&lt;/a&gt;, a free RSS reader which has all the great features mentioned above but goes one step beyond smart feeds with the &quot;River of News&quot; view.

The &quot;River of News&quot; view simulates a single news feed, regardless of how many feeds you subscribe to.

With this view we use Predictive Ranking to intelligently predict which subscriptions and articles will be most important. We also allow users to manually rank feeds by simply dragging and dropping the subscription.

Other RSS readers are just starting to integrate user attention into their RSS readers - something Attensa incorporates into all of it&#039;s RSS readers.

The Attensa Team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attensa just released the <a href="http://www.attensa.com/products/readers/mac/" rel="nofollow">Attensa for Mac</a>, a free RSS reader which has all the great features mentioned above but goes one step beyond smart feeds with the &#8220;River of News&#8221; view.</p>
<p>The &#8220;River of News&#8221; view simulates a single news feed, regardless of how many feeds you subscribe to.</p>
<p>With this view we use Predictive Ranking to intelligently predict which subscriptions and articles will be most important. We also allow users to manually rank feeds by simply dragging and dropping the subscription.</p>
<p>Other RSS readers are just starting to integrate user attention into their RSS readers &#8211; something Attensa incorporates into all of it&#8217;s RSS readers.</p>
<p>The Attensa Team</p>
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		<title>By: Greg H</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-18172</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jack: Headline does look like it will be an interesting application. Unfortunately, I think I read somewhere that it will be Leopard-only, so it looks like those planning not to upgrade to Leopard will have to stick with some of the current readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jack: Headline does look like it will be an interesting application. Unfortunately, I think I read somewhere that it will be Leopard-only, so it looks like those planning not to upgrade to Leopard will have to stick with some of the current readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-18171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks pretty nice, I&#039;m going to wait to see Headline for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks pretty nice, I&#8217;m going to wait to see Headline for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17610</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Vienna, it does everything I need it to do and it&#039;s free. 

Cyndicate does sound interesting, and I&#039;m considering trying it out for a bit. We will see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Vienna, it does everything I need it to do and it&#8217;s free. </p>
<p>Cyndicate does sound interesting, and I&#8217;m considering trying it out for a bit. We will see.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17592</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brett: the methodology is really not all that different. The article is king, not the feed, and I think that&#039;s a far more logical way to work with things. As Greg says himself, &quot;it can pay off in the end.&quot;

Though Cyndicate uses none of the same code as PulpFiction, the general concept as well as its authors are the same. Some have said of both Cyndicate and PulpFiction that they treat your feeds like email, and that&#039;s true to some extent. But it&#039;s not quite the full story. A &lt;a href=&quot;http://nslog.com/2004/12/13/the_email_rss_paradigm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog entry I wrote three years ago still applies&lt;/a&gt;.

I also feel obligated to point out that Cyndicate uses a Bayesian filter to automatically &lt;em&gt;rate&lt;/em&gt; individual articles as well. In my own tests as well as those of our beta testers and early users, the rating system is incredibly accurate and can be incredibly useful. Since you can filter or use smart folders based on ratings, you can set up a folder of 4- and 5-star articles, your &quot;must-reads&quot; so to speak. Nobody else does ratings.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brett: the methodology is really not all that different. The article is king, not the feed, and I think that&#8217;s a far more logical way to work with things. As Greg says himself, &#8220;it can pay off in the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though Cyndicate uses none of the same code as PulpFiction, the general concept as well as its authors are the same. Some have said of both Cyndicate and PulpFiction that they treat your feeds like email, and that&#8217;s true to some extent. But it&#8217;s not quite the full story. A <a href="http://nslog.com/2004/12/13/the_email_rss_paradigm" rel="nofollow">blog entry I wrote three years ago still applies</a>.</p>
<p>I also feel obligated to point out that Cyndicate uses a Bayesian filter to automatically <em>rate</em> individual articles as well. In my own tests as well as those of our beta testers and early users, the rating system is incredibly accurate and can be incredibly useful. Since you can filter or use smart folders based on ratings, you can set up a folder of 4- and 5-star articles, your &#8220;must-reads&#8221; so to speak. Nobody else does ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17591</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, really great review! Cyndicate&#039;s methodology all sounds just a little too foreign. I use (and love) NetNewsWire 3. Looks great, works great - though some flash integration would be nice... And best of all, it syncs with Newsgator, so I can work cross platforms (Mac at home and Windows at work). I would really love to see your review for NNW3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, really great review! Cyndicate&#8217;s methodology all sounds just a little too foreign. I use (and love) NetNewsWire 3. Looks great, works great &#8211; though some flash integration would be nice&#8230; And best of all, it syncs with Newsgator, so I can work cross platforms (Mac at home and Windows at work). I would really love to see your review for NNW3</p>
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		<title>By: Greg H</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17582</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mdmunoz In a way they are sort of like Smart Feeds, but I still think you are thinking about Cyndicate&#039;s methodology a little wrong. The folders act like Smart Feeds, but without the limitations. You can still delete articles from folders, or drag and drop more into a folder. You can&#039;t do this with a Smart Feed. In Smart Feeds, if you want to delete an article, you have to go into the actual subscription and find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mdmunoz In a way they are sort of like Smart Feeds, but I still think you are thinking about Cyndicate&#8217;s methodology a little wrong. The folders act like Smart Feeds, but without the limitations. You can still delete articles from folders, or drag and drop more into a folder. You can&#8217;t do this with a Smart Feed. In Smart Feeds, if you want to delete an article, you have to go into the actual subscription and find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Google Reader - I read my feeds on my work machine and my home machine, so it just makes sense to do it that way. If there were a client that sync&#039;d with GR that I could use at home, I would do that - but until that happens, I don&#039;t see myself changing. I do read these RSS reader reviews intently waiting for that feature, though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Google Reader &#8211; I read my feeds on my work machine and my home machine, so it just makes sense to do it that way. If there were a client that sync&#8217;d with GR that I could use at home, I would do that &#8211; but until that happens, I don&#8217;t see myself changing. I do read these RSS reader reviews intently waiting for that feature, though</p>
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		<title>By: Superdotman</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17567</link>
		<dc:creator>Superdotman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vienna is practically identical, but with an inbuilt tabbed browser and a simpler interface. And it&#039;s free.

And then there&#039;s the issue of http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=203</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vienna is practically identical, but with an inbuilt tabbed browser and a simpler interface. And it&#8217;s free.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the issue of <a href="http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=203" rel="nofollow">http://www.artofadambetts.com/weblog/?p=203</a></p>
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		<title>By: flec65</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17541</link>
		<dc:creator>flec65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are describing exactly how smart feeds work in every other RSS app. I can make a Hockey smart feed that collects all articles with â€œhockeyâ€ in the title or content. I can do the same for football.&quot;

Indeed. I can confirm Newsfire can do this with smart feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are describing exactly how smart feeds work in every other RSS app. I can make a Hockey smart feed that collects all articles with â€œhockeyâ€ in the title or content. I can do the same for football.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. I can confirm Newsfire can do this with smart feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: mdmunoz</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17538</link>
		<dc:creator>mdmunoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What he is talking about is that with Cyndicateâ€™s filtering system you can subscribe to say espn and SIâ€™s feeds. Then create a filter that will only move articles that contain &#039;football&#039; or &#039;hockey&#039; in either their title or the articleâ€™s body to the football and hockey folders. Youâ€™re not moving the entire feed, just individual articles. This allows you to automatically separate the types of news items that youâ€™re most interested in. It really helps on feeds that have a high noise ratio.&quot;

You are describing exactly how smart feeds work in every other RSS app. I can make a Hockey smart feed that collects all articles with &quot;hockey&quot; in the title or content. I can do the same for football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What he is talking about is that with Cyndicateâ€™s filtering system you can subscribe to say espn and SIâ€™s feeds. Then create a filter that will only move articles that contain &#8216;football&#8217; or &#8216;hockey&#8217; in either their title or the articleâ€™s body to the football and hockey folders. Youâ€™re not moving the entire feed, just individual articles. This allows you to automatically separate the types of news items that youâ€™re most interested in. It really helps on feeds that have a high noise ratio.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are describing exactly how smart feeds work in every other RSS app. I can make a Hockey smart feed that collects all articles with &#8220;hockey&#8221; in the title or content. I can do the same for football.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg H</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17514</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for clarifying, Brad. And sorry about that Pete, I have added the currency symbol. Not sure how that slipped by me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for clarifying, Brad. And sorry about that Pete, I have added the currency symbol. Not sure how that slipped by me <img src='http://macapper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17509</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, Cyndicate&#039;s folders differ from NewsFire&#039;s &quot;Group&quot; which are mainly to group together feeds.  Cyndicate&#039;s folders are like folders in Mail.  You can drag or filter individual articles to them, not just feeds.  So you can set up folders like &quot;save&quot; or &quot;read later&quot; and then drop just the articles that meet your criteria for the folder into it.

mdmunoz, the readers you mentioned don&#039;t do what Greg was talking about.  He might not have been completely clear in his description though.  What he is talking about is that with Cyndicate&#039;s filtering system you can subscribe to say espn and SI&#039;s feeds.  Then create a filter that will only move articles that contain &quot;football&quot; or &quot;hockey&quot; in either their title or the article&#039;s body to the football and hockey folders. You&#039;re not moving the entire feed, just individual articles.  This allows you to automatically separate the types of news items that you&#039;re most interested in.  It really helps on feeds that have a high noise ratio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, Cyndicate&#8217;s folders differ from NewsFire&#8217;s &#8220;Group&#8221; which are mainly to group together feeds.  Cyndicate&#8217;s folders are like folders in Mail.  You can drag or filter individual articles to them, not just feeds.  So you can set up folders like &#8220;save&#8221; or &#8220;read later&#8221; and then drop just the articles that meet your criteria for the folder into it.</p>
<p>mdmunoz, the readers you mentioned don&#8217;t do what Greg was talking about.  He might not have been completely clear in his description though.  What he is talking about is that with Cyndicate&#8217;s filtering system you can subscribe to say espn and SI&#8217;s feeds.  Then create a filter that will only move articles that contain &#8220;football&#8221; or &#8220;hockey&#8221; in either their title or the article&#8217;s body to the football and hockey folders. You&#8217;re not moving the entire feed, just individual articles.  This allows you to automatically separate the types of news items that you&#8217;re most interested in.  It really helps on feeds that have a high noise ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17506</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NewsFire has folders and smart folders. I use them all the time. &quot;+&quot; button &gt; &quot;Smart Feed&quot; or &quot;Group&quot;. It&#039;s one of the coolest features, although I&#039;m sure other RSS readers have them too. Cyndicate is not unique at all in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NewsFire has folders and smart folders. I use them all the time. &#8220;+&#8221; button &gt; &#8220;Smart Feed&#8221; or &#8220;Group&#8221;. It&#8217;s one of the coolest features, although I&#8217;m sure other RSS readers have them too. Cyndicate is not unique at all in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: mdmunoz</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17464</link>
		<dc:creator>mdmunoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lets say I am subscribed to 3 different sports sites. I can set up a folder that will have any â€œhockeyâ€ related articles from those feeds filtered into it, while any â€œfootballâ€ related articles will be filtered into another folder.&quot;

&quot;This methodology took me a little time to get used to, and it probably will for you as well. If you have primarily used NetNewsWire or another reader for all your RSS reading needs, Cyndicate could be a big change, but can pay off in the end.&quot;

Pretty sure NewsFire, NetNewsWire, and Vienna all do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lets say I am subscribed to 3 different sports sites. I can set up a folder that will have any â€œhockeyâ€ related articles from those feeds filtered into it, while any â€œfootballâ€ related articles will be filtered into another folder.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This methodology took me a little time to get used to, and it probably will for you as well. If you have primarily used NetNewsWire or another reader for all your RSS reading needs, Cyndicate could be a big change, but can pay off in the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty sure NewsFire, NetNewsWire, and Vienna all do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17463</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NetNewsWire Lite is still (as far as I know) free.  Also, would you mind using at least a currency symbol when listing prices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NetNewsWire Lite is still (as far as I know) free.  Also, would you mind using at least a currency symbol when listing prices?</p>
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		<title>By: MB-switcher</title>
		<link>http://macapper.com/2007/10/09/cyndicate-new-kid-on-the-block/comment-page-1/#comment-17459</link>
		<dc:creator>MB-switcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally use vienna...it suits my needs the best (which is having all the news in one place and reading them). I do not need advanced features like &quot;blog this article&quot; etc. so I am sticking with vienna I guess...and the killer argument it&#039;s open source and support is excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally use vienna&#8230;it suits my needs the best (which is having all the news in one place and reading them). I do not need advanced features like &#8220;blog this article&#8221; etc. so I am sticking with vienna I guess&#8230;and the killer argument it&#8217;s open source and support is excellent.</p>
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