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MediaRight
06-14-2008, 11:26 AM
I figure I'd get all of this out of my system now. We've done some fun stuff, but this hasn't been the most fun vacation ever. My family wanted to do a California trip with me before I went back to school, so we did.

We live in Atlanta, so we flew out to a few weeks ago SF: a place with more bums per square block than anywhere else I've ever been. Was rudely asked to stand up by some evil witch on a cable car, and thus conquered my fear of being on the running board. We visited Apple flagship in San-Fran, which wasn't too exciting as the iPhone wasn't released until the next Monday. I did email my tech hero, Leo Laporte, who lives and works up in Petaluma, about 10 miles from where we'd be staying in Navato. I asked if I could sit-in on the radio show that weekend, since I had previously done some theme music work for him. I was surprised when he said yes the next morning. By the way, don't try to find free wifi in SF, as everything is locked down. I had to balance my laptop on my hand outside the Apple store to get a signal one morning (the Apple store wasn't open yet).

We did do a Segway tour of SF, which was amazing. The segway itself is an amazing invention. Too bad it never took off. It's even more magnificent when you realize the handlebars are a mere formality. You could take your hands off, and it'd still balance you. It's the most intuitive device ever: lean a tiny bit forward, and it goes forward; lean further forward, and you go faster; move your hips back, and it stops or goes backwards. Has a 0 degree turning radius, so it turns on a dime. Ours were limited to 10mph, but I think it could go a bit faster if you could take the governors off.

After SF, it was off to Navato, about an hour or so north of San Fransisco. We stayed with family in what was the most picturesque setting I've ever been in. Blue skies, rolling grassy hills, cool breezes, simply wonderful!

The day with Leo Laporte was great too. It was very meta watching a guy podcast and do radio who I had been listening to for years. He's really nice, and is truly passionate about making tech media content work. He signed a hat, and took a few pictures with me, I'll post them somewhere eventually.

Then, we were off to Yosemite National Park, a beautiful valley with towering waterfalls, and unbelievable rock formations. Also home to the poorest food in the states.

This is when the trouble started however. The wifi and connection sucked at Yosemite, which didn't surprise me. But...it was Monday, the day of the keynote. After an exhausting hike, I wanted to come back and stream the thing in the lobby, but the speed was so bad, I could only get audio, and no video.

In what really made this vacation unbearable, a few hours later that night, my PowerBook G4 decided to die on me. We had had problems since we landed in SF getting it to boot. It'd come up to a grey screen, but then hang, and we'd have to power down and try again, but usually it'd boot correctly after 3-4 tries. This time, however, it just randomly shut down, and then booted to the apple screen, and then kernel panicked. We couldn't get it booted up at all.

On our way to our next destination, Lake Arrowhead (staying with family), we took a detour to an Apple store in Rancho Cocomonga, where they kindly fit us in, I was told it was a bad logic board. However, after consulting a friend...I'm not so sure. My HD has been through a lot, so it could be a bad drive as well. The thing does boot up into open firmware. Didn't test it with a Leopard CD yet though. That when we get home. The challenge was that I could have shipped it off to Apple repair at that store, and they'd get it back to me in Atlanta, but if I wanted them to back-up the drive (if they could), I'd have to return to that Apple Store in RC the next week, not an option as we'd be back in Atlanta by then.

So now I'm stuck with a dead computer, and have to leech off of the computers of those we're staying with, and that's only on days when we're not traveling.

Lake Arrowhead was absolutely gorgeous. Beautiful lake, celebrity homes on the banks. Great trees, great weather. Our hosts had an HD projector too, so we took a look at the championship Lakers game. I'm not into basketball, but it just looked so pretty.

Another day of travel, and we're currently in LA. Smog filled and dirty, but we've found some good food, and it's cooled down a lot. I'm currently pretty depressed. I really loved Tim Russert of NBC. I didn't cry when I found out he died, but I was close. We're spending a good deal of time with one of my fathers writer friends (a friend since childhood) who's written for everything: Mork and Mindy, Arrested Development, Family Guy, King of Queens, he's now doing Big Bang Theory.

Then, we're back home on Tuesday. I'll probably have my Powerbook fixed in another week or so, depending on if it's the drive or the board, and how I decide to get it fixed. End rant.

Brown Study
06-14-2008, 11:44 AM
That's one of the best rants I've read! It's inspiring me to write my own — my decrepit G4 and ancient G3 that'll have to be a substitute when I take in the G4 — after I take in the G3 to get it fixed. Now half my rant is ruined.

It's too bad you had all that trouble. Everything should be perfect on a vacation.

mathogre
06-14-2008, 11:51 AM
Greetings MR!

So sorry about the wifi and especially about the Powerbook. Despite those things, it sounds as if it's a fun trip. I hope the rest of it goes well!

Mark Milian
06-14-2008, 12:13 PM
I'm living in L.A. for the summer, but I can't say I have the same bleak outlook as you. Sure, there's smog and the traffic sucks, but the people are laid back, the weather's great and the nightlife is some of the most fun I've had in any city.

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 12:44 PM
Howdy MR! Too bad the vacation's gone haywire, man.

And is your PowerBook really dead or are you getting it repaired? Is it like dead-as-a-doorknob dead or is dead-but-can-be-Frankensteined-back-to-life dead?

And you didn't buy any Apple wear gear when you were in the Mothership's Store? :O

MediaRight
06-14-2008, 03:03 PM
I was only in the SF store, so there wasn't any mothership gear sadly. I sure hope it can be brought back to life, it's just a question of how. At worst, my data's gone, but a lot is online or on another drive so that's good.

Mark, the weather's better today, and the food is good, so LA has redeemed itself ;)

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 03:53 PM
So you brought it in for repairs or you're gonna try to figure this out on your own?

I'm askin' because some of us pretty good with diagnosing Mac probs...

MediaRight
06-14-2008, 03:59 PM
I would have sent it in, but there was a conflict with shipping, so I decided not to have it checked again until we get back into town.

What's happening is that it's a 1.5 ghz 2004 make PowerBook G4 with a 70 or 80 gb drive (not sure which). The problem is that on boots, it now displays a grey sceen. That's it. For a while we could coax it into booting after 3 or 4 power downs. Now, after a random kernel panic, it will only boot to that grey screen. After the kernel panic happened, it booted to the white apple screen for a split second, then kernel panic'ed again. Now, it just shows the grey screen again.

At the apple store, they tried booting to a firewire drive, and at the drive selection screen, it froze. Because of that, they think it's a shot logic board. I told all of this to a friend of mine that night, and he said it could be the drive instead and that the frozen drive selection screen was because it was trying to analyze the main HD unsuccessfully. The Genius Bar did NOT try to boot from a CD. The machine, will, however, boot into open firmware.

So the question is...drive or logic board?

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 04:04 PM
How did you eliminate the possibility of it being software related?

MediaRight
06-14-2008, 04:06 PM
I was also having kernal panic's after I did a clean install of Leopard when it first came out. I told them that, and combined with the fact that it didn't get past the drive select screen on a firewire boot told them it was hardware.

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 04:08 PM
I was also having kernal panic's after I did a clean install of Leopard when it first came out. I told them that, and combined with the fact that it didn't get past the drive select screen on a firewire boot told them it was hardware.

K. That would indeed indicate this as being hardware.

Did you hear clicking noises for a certain time before it started to go wonky?

MediaRight
06-14-2008, 04:12 PM
Not necessarily, but the drive has been through a lot. Multiple clean installs over the years. I've been installing and uninstalling a lot recently.

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 04:16 PM
Well usually when it's the hard drive that goes, it'll have some clicking noises and grinding sounds. Not too pretty to hear, I've been told.

And if it is a logicboard problem, you might find it cheaper, relatively speaking, to get a new Mac than getting it fixed...

But the real hardware experts haven't come in this thread yet. :)

MediaRight
06-14-2008, 04:18 PM
If it's the logic board, I'll pay the $350 or so to send it in to Apple HQ, but if it's the drive, I might consider a cheaper local option.

bobtomay
06-14-2008, 04:31 PM
All my hardware expertise is with Win machines, so it's a little different related to the logic/mother board.

Normally, would agree with your friend that it is the drive. Primarily just because they do fail more often than the board does. This case, have to agree with the geniuses, it's the logic board.

On boot, drives are not analyzed. The system only looks to see if boot info is located there. The system will look past any drives that do not provide such info, even bad drives, because it did not provide the info the system was looking for.

MediaRight
06-14-2008, 04:34 PM
True, but then how did it boot into open firmware?

bobtomay
06-14-2008, 05:00 PM
Booting into open firmware - which is similar to booting into the BIOS of a standard motherboard.

There are several steps related to booting. There are quite a few areas of the board that are not accessed at all and are not required to be working to boot to the firmware/BIOS, that would be required when booting to a drive and even more that would be used during the boot into an Operating System.

The combination of the kernel panics, and freezing at the boot screen, while you have at least 2 drives for it to boot from (both an IDE and a firewire device), to me, pretty strongly suggest the board.

If dt shows up, he'll have more Mac hardware experience.

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 05:44 PM
Yeah trav and Sherman should have a shot at this as well. Might as well have all of you guys in this one, you do a great job when you bounce ideas off one another.

MaDDoG
06-14-2008, 05:51 PM
I'm not good with Apple stuff but it sounds to me like something isn't working properly.

Pity about SF. That's one of the place sin the US I'd like to see.

MacHeadCase
06-14-2008, 06:10 PM
Booting into open firmware - which is similar to booting into the BIOS of a standard motherboard.

There are several steps related to booting. There are quite a few areas of the board that are not accessed at all and are not required to be working to boot to the firmware/BIOS, that would be required when booting to a drive and even more that would be used during the boot into an Operating System.

The combination of the kernel panics, and freezing at the boot screen, while you have at least 2 drives for it to boot from (both an IDE and a firewire device), to me, pretty strongly suggest the board.

If dt shows up, he'll have more Mac hardware experience.

Argh! Virtual rep! :closedeyes:

MaDDoG
06-14-2008, 08:30 PM
Sounds like one of those cross country trip Chevvy Chase does.....

MacHeadCase
06-15-2008, 01:42 AM
Oh you mean like when everything that can go wrong actually does? Well MR did like the Segway and Yosemite (except for the food there).