Not the place

[bobtomay]

Myself, I don't mind a little teasing.

So far, most posts have been in the vein of teasing.

However, this forum is not for insulting, making derogatory remarks nor your own personal little place to vent against either our own members or those of other forums.

I am a member of several forums, and like to think that I obey the rules of each forum where I am a member to maintain a good standing there. We have several members here that are still maintaining their relationship with "that other" forum, myself included and even one of their mods frequents here.

I am not interested in having a war with "the other" forum. Nor will I partake in such a thing. I am interested in having a great community here, and hopefully along the way, able to provide a little tech help on occasion. For these things, there really is no need for discussing your likes or dislikes pertaining to "any" other forum in such a way.

Just want it noted, for whatever duration I am left in a position with the ability, any post that I feel steps over the bounds will be deleted.

[JohnTheMacGeek]

Noted. And, for what it's worth, I agree. I don't think it's good for any forum to be more concerned with what another forum is doing or isn't doing. Let's just do our best to be the forum this place has the potential to be.

[dtravis7]

Very well said Bobtomay! Agree 1000%!

[MacHeadCase]

Totally agreed. And it's a question of having more class than those we scoff at, isn't it? Otherwise we're not any better than the others.

We want to grow here on a solid, friendly tight-knit base. Anyone wanting a war should take it elsewhere.

We are just beginning, let's do it correctly and start on the right foot, too.

[Ryan]

Great post bob, I hope we all take this to heart and try to give this the best community feel we can.

[Austen Saltz]

uh, I agree with everything your saying... but i don't know what you're talking about, I haven't noticed anything.

I guess this means you're doing a good job!

[Rxx]

Im wondering if this is about our little takes at schweb....

Is it?

And understood ether way. But I think there is other ways to deal with things other than deleting free speech.

[Fallooza]

...But I think there is other ways to deal with things other than deleting free speech.

your right. the better way is ta not post it at all.

[MaDDoG]

Bob I think you just say what is really on your mind.:rasberry:

As like the others before me I agree.

However,if you have an issue with something someone has said I think you could have dealt with it first by speaking to the person concerned rather than making a public issue. That said I have no gripe with you or what you are saying, just that perhaps, especially as your are a mod, that it could have been dealt with in another way first.

I always treat people the way that I would expect to be treated and as such I expect the same in return. Life however is full of disappointments.

[Rxx]

your right. the better way is ta not post it at all.

Missing the point.... :laugh:

[MacHeadCase]

• First, the problematic posts were dealt with so no one will see them anymore. So you don't have them in front of your eyes to see if we were right or wrong in our judgement call. But looking back at the amount of negative comments we got from them, I don't think we made a mistake on that.

• Second, this thread is just a general reminder to everyone. Maybe I got carried away in my post and for that I apologize but at the time I made it I was very angry and wanted to make sure my point came across.

The forum is trying to lift off from the floor, we don't want to already have some good people turning away because some other members don't think out things before hitting the Submit button.

I've seen plenty of dead forums in my search that finally ended up here (as was this one before we came along , I might add). We like this place and want to see it succeed. And we don't want to break our teeth on this venture either.

The atmosphere might be a bit screwy because some changes and fixes for the entire website AND the board software will be done in about a month's time we were told so mods don't have all the controls a board normally has. So us mods are kinda caught in limbo on stuff on our own end but the forum rules have been re-written to better illustrate where the forum should be going and I would imagine they have been approved? The immediate staff here did approve of them but the owners of the website haven't gotten back to us on this. At least, I was not told if they did approve of them.

We don't want to put in place a ridiculous bad word filter like in the other forum, but we do want everyone to try to restrain themselves when they want to express something that is over the top. We can all get over-enthusiastic sometimes but try to think before hitting that Submit button. Thinking is supposed to be a great asset for all humans. ;)

We want this forum to be visited by as many people as possible to get more membership and if some of you cannot restrain themselves, remember that the more raunchy it gets in here, the more the bad word filter will become populated. Like one member said, it's important this website remains workplace safe and we do agree.

Let me remind you here that we want the forum to be a welcoming and friendly place and I do hope everyone in here understands and agrees with that otherwise this is not your place. A lot of us agree that finding a forum isn't hard but finding a forum that is friendly is very hard to do. So please keep that in mind as well.

• This is not about free speech either, it's about human dignity and for not doing to others what we blame them of doing to us. It's a question of showing some class.

I have seen some forum wars, exchanges against one forum sharing some members with another (and vice versa) and the insults go back and forth in those two forums, it's endless and it's childish and wasted cyberspace space.

And they wield the "free speech" banner claiming they have the right to post whatever they want and that deletion of their posts would only prove their point: that the other forum is better than the one in which they are posting at the moment.

So free speech has nothing to do with it, look at the Tianenmen Square protest for the true meaning of stopping free speech. Here is the link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989) in case you have no idea what I am talking about.

• And finally, it is not the mods that make the place, it's all of us. Which means all of us have a responsibility in here and it would be great to see us share all the same goal: to see this forum strive.

[MaDDoG]

Thanks MHC - very ell said as I would expect. I agree, forums are places that bullying exists. God knows I have seen this usd against my teenage daughter and can only sit back and pick up the pieces. I have fronted the parents of one such bully (who was another girl) and got absolutely no help from the parent, so I can see it exists at all leaves and does do damage whether intended or in jest.

I will watch my P's and Q's more closely and assure one and all that I mean no harm in anything I say.

[dtravis7]

Very well put MHC.

[MacHeadCase]

No your posts are fine MDDG. No worries.

[JohnTheMacGeek]

Well said, MHC. I surely hope none of my posts, past, present or future, have to be deleted.

[iKitten]

Thank you, mods! I really don't want to read about other forums while I'm here, unless it's helpful/informative.

[mathogre]

I'd like to think that people are able to express themselves in the English language without the use of a half dozen or so profanities. Apple even *gives* you a dictionary if you're running OS X (at least in Tiger and Leopard), so there's no excuse. If all you can do is swear, then perhaps you ought to find a new forum. (Yes, I can swear. Don't ride with me on my work commute if you don't want to hear something bad. Even still, when the kiddo is with me, I find other words to use. It's not that difficult.)

I'm also a strong proponent of this place being work safe. A co-worker of mine has been using Macs for years. There's no way I'm going to point him to something that is apt to be littered with profanity. At the extreme, there's a tech site I now barely visit that has become an absolute sewer as regards user comments. While its headline articles have value, the comment side is utterly worthless. "Safe for work" to me means being civil, and I'd like to see this place be civil, ultimately without the need for heavy enforcement.

I'll echo iKitten's comment regarding other forums. I couldn't say it better.

[MaDDoG]

Thank you, mods! I really don't want to read about other forums while I'm here, unless it's helpful/informative.

There are no other forums while I'm in here. Its like the cone of silence.

Seriously I agree with iKitten and I have been guilty of mentioning the above not mentionables. Did I mention that I will not mention them again?

[bobtomay]

Just wanted to bring this up again as a new post.

Guys you've cleaned it up pretty good. We appreciate it.

We understand there are some hurt feelings and frustrations regarding this whole matter. That's to be expected. Also, understand the need to get it off your chest with some others that know where you're coming from.

While it would still be better to have no mention here, when you feel the need, we ask that you be careful. Think about, re-read and take a deep breath before clicking that submit button. And, no names, either of the place nor of individuals. Those who are familiar know where and who you're talking about. No reason to give the google bots something to point to. Anything over the line is still subject to deletion.

Thanks everyone!!

[MaDDoG]

Thanks Bob.

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